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Dunbar, Brown and Pyrgos Back

Tim Swinson and Henry Pyrgos Scotland - pic © Al Ross
Tim Swinson and Henry Pyrgos Scotland - pic © Al Ross

Vern Cotter has added three Glasgow Warriors players to the Scotland squad for this Sunday’s RBS 6 Nations match against France at BT Murrayfield (kick-off 3pm).

Centre Alex Dunbar, scrum-half Henry Pyrgos and hooker Fraser Brown have all recovered from injuries in the past fortnight to earn selection in the squad that will convene at the national stadium in Edinburgh tomorrow. Dunbar is not surprising after he was rested for half of the game against Cardiff and as a member of the original squad was always going to come back into the mix after recovering from the thigh strain and scoring on return against the Dragons. Matt Scott will have a MRI scan at the Spire Murrayfield Hospital today to assess the extent of the damage to his elbow in the match against Connacht on Friday but won’t, you imagine, be in contention. That leaves a choice between Dunbar, Bennett or Horne to partner Duncan Taylor in midfield.

Brown and Pyrgos were both part of Scotland’s Rugby World Cup campaign but injuries have ruled them out the tournament to this point. It will be welcome news to Cotter, at least to give more competition for the bench spots. Brown comes in for George Turner, while Grayson Hart makes way for Pyrgos who played his first game in over five months when he started on Sunday.

There is no place in the squad for either Blair Cowan or Sean Maitland who were released to London Irish unfit for duty, yet who both managed to play at the weekend. Also featuring for Irish was Greig Tonks who seems to have exited BT Murrayfield sharpish.

The matchday squad will be announced later in the week.

Scotland squad for 2016 RBS 6 Nations Round 4:

Forwards (20): John Barclay (Scarlets), Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors), David Denton (Bath Rugby), Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby(, Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors), Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby), Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Castres), John Hardie (Edinburgh Rugby), Rob Harley (Glasgow Warriors), Moray Low (Exeter Chiefs), Stuart McInally, Willem Nel (Edinburgh Rugby), Gordon Reid, Josh Strauss (Glasgow Warriors), Rory Sutherland (Edinburgh Rugby), Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors), Ben Toolis, Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby), Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors).

Backs (16): Mark Bennett, Alex Dunbar, Grayson Hart (Glasgow Warriors), Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby), Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors), Ruaridh Jackson (Wasps), Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester Rugby), Sean Lamont (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens), Henry Pyrgos, Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Tim Visser (Harlequins), Duncan Weir (Edinburgh Rugby).

66 Responses

  1. It’s gotta be Taylor, Bennet and Dunbar….but what order?! So pleased that Taylor has carried his Sarries form over to the international stage. We have a history of players that have failed to do just that. Whatever the starting centre line-up, it will be strong. Having Dunbar back strengthens our bench massively, regardless of which centre will be on it. Can’t wait for Sunday. France are long overdue a thumping from us. Let’s hope France keep Trinh Duc on the bench because he is a genius and will make France tick.

  2. Whats the deal with Cowan and Maitland playing for Irish after they were released through injury? Is it a case of the Premiership side demanding they play and overriding what BVC and the team thought were injuries enough to stop them playing?

  3. I Know MAITLAND hasn’t delivered the goods recently but his pace would’ve been a worthy addition….he played the white 80 minutes against BATH on saturday with the irish…
    His career has Been plagued with injuries…How many 6 nations games has he missed? Almost a dozen since 2013…
    VISSER was rusty against Italy and his defence is questionable , LAMONT ( Fantastic servant) is past his sell-by date….

    1. Visser set up a try from a 2-2 on a narrow shortside. That alone means he deserves another shot – not to mention a bit of a break from fans that just want to focus on what players can’t do instead of what they can.

      1. FF got to agree with you there.

        Sean Maitland has never performed to his potential and has more than enough chances in my opinion. He has been unlucky with injuries and we have played him when he was not 100% fit (shame on us, that is not his fault) however to give him another cap is definately sending the wrong message.

        Duncan Taylor fell out of favour and came back on merit. Lets hope Maitland does the same.

        It is time for Tim Visser to show us his capability , there is never any action out wide in Italy. The pitch width is always tight even in the sadio olympico.

      2. Only slight problem is Vakatawa vs Visser. The guy is huge and Visser’s defence can be questionable (although I guess he’s helped by the fact that Vakatawa seems incapable of staying out wide).

        Taylor on the wing is another potential option – plays well there for Saracens and just look at his pace to catch Tom James vs Wales.

        Personal call would be to give Visser a shot from the start and move Taylor out wide later if he looks like a liability.

  4. Great to have Pyrgos and Dunbar back…shame they missed the first 2 matches. Only slight surprise for me is that Hoyland isn’t being involved in the squad. I thought he looked very good for E’burgh last match…
    Cowan and Maitland omission not surprising. Cowan not good enough… Maitland is made of glass.

  5. I think that Cowan and Maitland have been released back because they weren’t going to be in the first team plans.

    Maitland hasn’t put in an impressive performance for Scotland for a long time now and Cowan isn’t needed when you have Hardie and Barclay fit.

  6. Squad is made stronger with those additions. It would be even better with an on form and fully fit Maitland. Question -is our veteran winger official named “Lamont-fantastic-servant”? Roll on Sunday, a big shift from the forwards and some sharp work from the backs. Daring to dream of a win.

  7. My 23 looks a bit like: Hogg, Seymour, Dunbar, Taylor, Visser, Russell, Laidlaw; Dickinson, Ford, Nel, Gray, Gray, Barclay, Hardie, Strauss
    Bench: Sutherland, McInally/Brown, Fagerson/Low, Swinson/Toolis, Wilson, Pyrgos, Horne, Bennett

    Although I suspect Bennett may start, with Dunbar on the bench.

    1. Think your team looks about right. I agree with Dunbar starting – looked almost back to his best yesterday and Russell always looks more comfortable with him or Horne at 12. Bennett could make a good impact on the last 25 minutes as well.

      I’d be tempted to start Wilson though as I thought he complemented Barclay / Hardie well against Italy and Strauss is useful bench impact.

      1. Wilson was indeed fantastic against Italy – I’ve criticised his Scotland form in the past and thought he didn’t have it in him to step up. I’d keep him in the side with Strauss on the bench. You’ve got to reward form like that.

      2. Likewise, exactly the team I would have picked, might swap Dunbar and Taylor round to have Dunbar inside Russell. Bennett could find holes in the last 20 off the bench, he hasn’t been at his best so I would rather give the others a start.

        Likewise with Wilson, not a fan historically but he was excellent against Italy, not always easy to look good against Parisse too. Strauss is an impact sub.

  8. Thank goodness we now have best players available at 8,9,12,13. Also Visser has to be in the form of his life so no brainer over Maitland.

  9. Whichever side Cotter chooses, they will all be strong, fast and daring. I just hope they can remember the need for precision throughout the 80 mins

  10. Put Taylor on the wing and Bennett and Dunbar (to be replaced by Horne) in the centre. This gives a genuinely strong player in every position in the backline (apart from Laidlaw).

    Hopefully Strauss will get a long overdue start, H Watson on the bench too.

    1. Laidlaw has been one of our best performers in the last two games and was one of the best performers at the World Cup. Singling him out for criticism is frankly bizarre.

      Taylor is a fantastic centre and a so-so winger.

      1. Rubbish – he has been consistently poor, was just way sub-standard versus England. He had a reasonable game against Italy, but his reasonable games get contrasted against the absolute dross he sometimes serves up, so that a standard performance becomes “excellent”. It’s nonsense

      2. I cannot remember a time that any accusation of ‘consistent performer’ would have been applicable to our back line. He has his good games and bad games with the good generally outweighing the bad. The whole team were poor against England, better against Wales and looked good against Italy.

        Even if we didn’t select him, who would play there? SHC hasn’t been fantastic of late, Pyrgos has been injured and hasn’t when given a shot, looked like a player so good Laidlaw categorically needs dropped. He needs others to play well round him in order to be at his absolute best but there aren’t many in world rugby that don’t need that.

        I’d argue for keeping the same back line, safe in the knowledge that we can bring on Dunbar at some point and that he’ll genuinely be a potential game changer. Playing guys out of position is, when we don’t absolutely need to, daft. Visser and Seymour on the wings shows real attacking intent and Visser’s defense hasn’t been as bad as people like to make out for a long time. It’s even better now that he’s playing down in England.

      3. Mrak – Laidlaw has been so consistently poor he was nominated for World Rugby player of the year after the World Cup. Not to mention Man of the match against Italy. The negative infatuation some Scottish fans have with Laidlaw is really a bit weird. He’ll never trouble a World XV but he’s a good player and we are a much worse team without him.

      4. Laidlaw played well last game and… kicked from distance! So I’m torn: we are not going to win this six nations and do we really want to go on being reliant on the boot of a 30 year-old scrum half four years away from the next World Cup, when there are at least two promising younger alternatives. Perhaps it is too soon for Pyrgos, but he played great against the Blues and a club 9 and 10 combo is attractive; SHC has talent to step up even if his form is off. Laidlaw must know his time has passed even if he eeks out this tournament.

        On balance, for France, think I’d start with Laidlaw, Bennett and Wilson. And look to see Pyrgos, Dunbar and Strauss make an impact from the Bench. Fagerson blooded again too, please.

    2. I watched Laidlaw at in his club game at the weekend and have to say he was on fire. Now I have knocked Laidlaw many times in here and for good reason. However he has transformed his game IMO and he deserves our praise not our criticism .

      He performed well in the RWC where he broke well from the base and eliminated the random kicks (funny we have not mentioned box kicks since Neil stopped posting).

      Now some may say, rightly or wrongly , he was behind solid packs in the RWC, this 6N and at his club, Gloucester.

      He is our captain and the in form Scrum Half. He deserves his place. Why are we intent on urinating in our own soup? Get behind him.

      1. He’s certainly playing better than this time last year when his place was totally undeserved. However, he still needs to be pulled to one side and told to stop crabbing across before passing. It’s telegraphed and only results in narrowing the pitch by five yards. Pyrgos played brilliantly for Glasgow last weekend and I would currently have him ahead of Price and SHC. Laidlaw won’t last forever and won’t make the next World Cup but he’s not dead yet.

      2. Personally I haven’t mentioned box kicks (one of my pet hates) because we aren’t doing them anymore, well any we are, are good and not just an aimless “hoof it up the park” exit strategy.

        I have also been critical of Laidlaw but in the WC he was excellent and he seems to have carried that through to the 6N so fair play to him. When our pack has parity or the upper hand he is hands down our best SH. He has shown to be ineffective or worse when we are retreating. Given that IMO we should always plan for success and to play positive rugby and not sit back and defend all day, we should be picking him and aiming to play the way that suits him.

        I would like to see Pyrgos get some good game time though, not just a token couple of minutes as he has talent and is the future.

      3. Laidlaw is probably the best SH in the 6N. Some have better passes, some are quicker to spot a gap, some have better game management, some are better at kicking from hand, but he is the better all-round player. Coupled with his place-kicking this makes him easily first choice.
        I’ll admit Pyrgos had a great game at the weekend, but it’s his first game back and doesn’t have the game-time or the kicking game. SHC was woeful against Connacht – his game was fine but his decision making was terrible. Price may be one for the future but that’s all.
        Allan – As for Laidlaw “crabbing” – you’ll see many of the best do that – looking for gaps to open and keeping the defence guessing. I’ll admit Greig does it a bit too much but it depends on the opposition. And his fly half. the longer he and Finn are directing things the more trust and instinct will flow.
        1.8T – boxkicks are a necessity in the modern game to clear our lines or put pressure on the oppo in bad conditions. A bad kick is just one that isn’t chased.

      4. Allan – did you watch the link left at the top of the thread by feepole? In the 21 phases leading up to the first try against Wales, Laidlaw crabbed three or four times and at least twice began crabbing before having a dart himself. This isn’t an accident, he is trying to fix the first defenders in a line and give a flat ball to a strike runner right on the gainline. Worst than useless when we’re not breaking the gainline and facing a well organised defence but instrumental to the way we attack when we are able to play at the tempo we want. Many fans underestimate how essential Laidlaw is to the way Cotter has us playing. Effectively, Laidlaw at 9 is the playmaking pivot rather than Russell. The last time I can remember us trying to predominantly attack through Russell at 10 was the first half against Tonga, which we were in danger of going in behind before Hogg pounced on a loose ball. I think Cotter decided Russell was too immature to direct our attack at test level like he does at Glasgow. Either that or Cotter has just imported some French thinking about the little generals at 9.

      5. Rugby is a business these days and the SRUs first objective is to build a sustainable brand. This 6N is about building fan and sponsor confidence. We need to sell Murrayfield out 3 times in 2017.

        So why would we break up the side and take a gamble on Pyrgos and SHC ? Their day will come. Now the point on GL not lasting forever is a good one , however, so is timing.

        The time to try out options is on tour. He is central to this team and we in the middle of the biggest annual showcase for rugby. Furthermore, all of this is in addition the the fact he is playing great rugby.

        Incidently , on the matter of age, he may well have some more mileage with Scotland. Scrum Half is becoming an old mans position.

        The ex international Scrum Half’s are full of life. Peter stringer is 38, Chris Cuister 33, both getting game time in the premiership. Mike Blair 34 and putting in a good half in the Pro 12.

        I would love to know what they are feeding them, because I fancy a few pints of the same.

    3. Agree Laidlaw has been playing well (for himself), but still not the quality of any other 9; look at Murry, Davies, Williams, Care, Youngs…..Our problem is that he is such a good goal kicker that we cant afford to drop him as it allows Russell to concentrate on running the game.

      I do feel that Laidlaw has lost us games before, he kicks way to much most matches and is slow to recycle. Yes he has been playing well (which just means kicking less) but until he snipes more and kicks less he will be dropped as soon as his kicking is not needed.

      Still, I have been impressed with him in the last 2 matches so hopefully he just lets the ball get to the backs and keeps the defenders honest with a few snipes.

  11. Lets not put players out of position, there is no need and it always back fires!

  12. Hogg Seymour Bennett Taylor Visser Russell Laidlaw Dickinson Brown Nel Gray Gray Barclay Hardie Strauss

    Sutherland Ford Low Toolis Wilson Pyrgos Horne Dunbar

    1. We got a win v Italy and played well, I think those players deserve another shot plus they’ll have the confidence that a win gives so same again for me. Its taken a while to get a settled team, injuries haven’t helped, we need consistency and not chopping and changing unless really nessesary.

  13. I’ve really enjoyed watching Glasgow and Edinburgh play during the 6 nations. Previously the dip in their performance was dramatic at this time of year. This year, I’ve not seen that and this reflects the new talent coming through. As pointed out above, Hamish Watson has impressed. Ali Price, Blair Kinghorn and Hoyland have all been excellent to name a few. Edinburgh are now starting to play free-flowing, fast paced rugby that has characterised the best of Glasgow. The narrow loss to Connacht (who were very impressive and deserving of top position in table) shows how far they have come.

    1. Agreed – Hoyland is worth a start for Scotland actually as he has genuine ability to beat players in tight spaces. Apart from Seymour, wing is not a strong position.

      Watson is fantastic and should be on the bench. So much stronger than he looks.

      1. Hoyland will probably be introduced into the team in the summer internationals. Ideally we should have been playing 4 rather than 2 games.

      2. Lot of air miles. Wonder if we can trot out the excuse of being “tired” if Japan beat us, as eveyone in the world so helpfully pointed out that Japan were when we pumped them in the rwc.

      3. Any word on venues for the games in Japan? All I have so far are the dates 18th and 25th June

      4. The game v USA is a non starter so it is just the 2 games in Japan.I now have the venues and am booking my trip :)

      5. You lucky, lucky *******. Reckon this could be a lot more compelling than our usual summer test fare (although the Samoa-Fiji-Australia tour was good).

        Lots of people will want Japan to prove they were the RWC heroes robbed by the organisers schedule. Japan will probably be a couple of places away from us in the standings even if we pick up more wins this 6N. They’ll be desperate to show their RWC form wasn’t a flash in the pan and probably see us as a tier 1 team they can scalp. They have a fantastic new manager in Jamie Jospeh but it’ll be a tall order for him to replicate thier RWC form without the extraordinary preparation time they had before that tournament, not to mention that they will have a new coaching team in the back room. These are going to be proper test matches.

        Let’s hope Scotland travel to Japan confident after 3 straight 6Ns wins and can build our rankings points if we are to have any hope of avoiding the third seed pot for the RWC draw.

      6. Thanks FF :)

        In the last few years I have been to see Scotland play in Argentina, USA, Australia, South Africa and NZ World Cup

        for 7s – Vegas, Gold Coast x 3, Wellington and HK x 2

      7. Hats off – that is some dedication. Hope you’re rewarded with some more success on the pitch than we’re usually accustomed to!

      8. It’s a great excuse for travelling

        Jamie Joseph won’t be taking up his Head Coach position for Japan until later in the year so Mark Hammitt will be taking charge of the Internationals v Canada (a) and Scotland x 2 (h)

        He is currently coaching the Japanese super 37 team the sunwolves which has most of the japanese team in it so that should provide a fair indication of what he will be doing in the Internationals

  14. Duncan Taylor surely has to be in the starting XV. As others have said, he’s carried his top form from Sarries into these 6N Tests and fully earned a starting slot. Great to see Alex Dunbar figuring again, whether starting or benching. A class act.
    Ryan Wilson grabbed his chance in Rome and did well. I’ve no problems with him starting on Sunday. I’ve a tiny wee doubt that the French might wind him up a bit, and if they do, well, it’s up to Ryan to show he can rise above it. Denton will bring muscle and grunt from the bench, which I suspect we will need because at the moment France’s tactics seem to be all about trying to overpower the oppo up front – even though they’ve not proved very good at it so far.
    Tommy and Tim on the wings? Fine with me. Tommy’s got his mare v England behind him. Tim didn’t let the side down in Rome and could if given chances skin a ponderous France back line.
    I’m really sorry I can’t be there this Sunday, because it’s a great chance to post two wins in this 6N and continue the generally upward curve that Vern has helped set us on these past 18 months or so.

  15. Jimmy Bond – “France are long overdue a thumping from us.”
    If you mean, Scotland haven’t beaten them since 2006 I suppose that is true. France had under-performed for a couple of years now, and at times this year looked clueless but I’m not sure I’d make Scotland favourites purely based on a single win over Italy? .

    1. Two years ago it looked harder to lose to France than beat them. But, well…Scotland.

    2. Yeah, I meant that there have been so many close France fixtures that we arguably we had the upper hand in but somehow managed to lose them thanks to ‘the Scotland Effect’. I don’t know why but I have a feeling of the 1999 match repeating itself this weekend. Wishful thinking i’m sure.

      1. Let’s hope so. There is a real sense of purpose in this squad but they can’t keep promising to fulfil it next year. They really need to win these two remaining games to make the breakthrough we all crave, but both would be pretty significant upsets to recent history and rankings.

      2. Depends on the French – if they play the way they did against Italy in the openning game – we should win. If they play closer to their potential, and given their physical edge, we might end up being disappointed. Love to see Dunbar starting and Taylor outside at 13, with Bennett coming on with something to prove. Hopefully Hoggy will continue to play with the joy and the verve shown in the last game too!

  16. Is it just me or do we suddenly seem to have glut of decent tight heads but no decent back up to Dicko at loose head?

    Nel, Low, Fagerson and Berghan look handy but Reid has looked technically deficient for test rugby and Grant, who was looking good, has gone backwards at a rate of knots over the last two years. If we get an injury to Dicko, is Sutherland ready to step up?

    1. I wonder if switching Low to loosehead (where he played for Exeter at the weekend) might be an option. I also seem to remember Welsh started at loose for Glasgow and was switched to the tight? Maybe move him back at some point? Agree about Grant – he looked potential world class before the Lions tour, hasn’t really delivered consistently for ages. Any decent U20 loose heads?

      Having said that… Berghan and Fagerson are very raw and need to be bedded in carefully. They have great potential (esp. Fagerson in my view) but not really close to being ready yet.

    2. Reid is learning all the time and is not Dicko , who took many years and quite a few clubs to get to where he is today. Sutherland has impressed me, however needs much more game time and if it is not at Edinburgh , get him to somewhere that he can gain that experience. I think Reid is a West of Scotland man and will not want to relocate, however, it would be the making of him. He needs to get out of his comfort zone. Ryan Grant , all of the above.

    3. Technically deficient. You’ll have to explain that one to me?
      Reid is better in the loose than any of them, including the Edinburgh front row currently in pole position because of scrum stability. But Reid has always been a good scrummager. What are these technical definciencies you’re inventing?

      1. Just my opinion but to me he looks like he’s struggling every time he packs down and his handling and ball presentation have (again just me) looked OK for pro 12 but not good enough against top class test players. I stand to be corrected however

  17. My team for france which i think will be announced on friday?
    1.Dicko 2.Ford 3.Nel
    4.Gray 5.Gray
    6.Barclay 8.Wilson 7.Hardie
    9.Laidlaw 10.Russell
    12.Horne 13.Taylor
    11.Visser 15.Hoggy 14.Seymour
    16.McInally 17.Sutherland 18.Low 19.B.Toolis 20.Strauss 21.Pyrgos 22.Jackson 23.Dunbar
    So my only real change is Horne in for Bennett who i’ll drop completely and hopefully motivate him a little or just give him a weeks rest. Ive gone for Horne because I want us to get wide against the French defence and feel like a second distributor at 12 could do that, plus I’m a little sceptical that taylor and dunbar would be an effective combination, perhaps they’re a little too similar? And jacko on the bench because whilst Weir has been playing well the last couple of weeks, so has Jacko and he both offers more versatility as well as suiting the general style of our play better than weir.
    Finally, on the never ending Laidlaw scepticism; the second part of the rugbydump analysis of our attack has been posted here (someone else posted the first part on this thread earlier I’m sure) and it is very interesting and positive viewing, and from what i took from it, the so-called vern cotter gameplan from earlier in his tenure of “organised chaos” seems to have been replaced by a very clever, effective structured style and I’m glad to see that the whole team seems to buy into it and know their roles very well. Also, my favourite quote from the analyst “laidlaw runs the short game; russell the wide game” showing how important laidlaw is to this team as well as how well he is playing, aided in large part by the effectiveness of our pack in carrying and securing our attacking ball.
    Will be at the game on Sunday, very much expecting a win and hopefully a great atmosphere to go with it. Come on Scotland!!

  18. I’d start with Dunbar, he can win turnover ball, absolutely crucial……….. Fraser Brown/Pete Horne onto the bench otherwise agree with FiferMitchell

    1. If Cotter thinks Dunbar is up to speed to start an International- then he must start. He is the best we have, IMHO, the others are all fine players but AD is just a shade better. We may or may not agree with English viewpoints, but Will Greenwood rated him the best NH centre last year – and WG was a very fine player in his day.
      We have an outstanding group of guys to pick at 12 / 13 – best group I can remember for many years.
      Next job is to do the same with the front row. Starting three are just fine, prop subs thereafter are marginal. A specific plan needs to be put into place (if it is not already there) to accelerate Fagerson’s set scrumming skills for a start.
      Hopeful we can keep our heads and do the business on Sunday.

  19. Me, I just think it is great to have a choice nowadays and also to know that the bench will be just as good in the last 20 minutes as the guys they replace

    1. Seems harsh on Bennett but I guess Horne’s versatility sees him on the bench. Strange that Pyrgos made the training squad and not the 23. Strauss picked for the extra power in the first 60 minutes. Excited and nervous now.

  20. It is nice to be in the position of wondering who we leave out as opposed to who do we bring in. Sad to see Bennett drop out but I cannot quibble with the choice, both starting and bench pick. I am assuming Strauss has shown, in training, enough to step in before Wilson who had a fine game against Italy, nigh on nullifying parrise. I half expected to see pyrgos take the bench slot from SHC but again don’t have any objections to the selection (I’m sure VC will sleep easier knowing that). I have looked at the rugby dump videos and feel that they help with showing that Greig Laidlaw fully deserves his continuing selection at both SH and as captain. He has been a consistently good performer during, and since, the RWC and I hope, dearly hope, that he gets the reward by being captain of the Scotland team who finally get a win against the French. Surely, It’s a foregone conclusion isn’t it?…is it? Yeah surely.

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